Gail Collins and Bret Stephens engage in a conversation about various issues, including their differing opinions on the Trump administration. Stephens praises certain actions taken by the administration, such as getting control over the southern border and pushing for tax cuts, while Collins expresses concerns about the government’s approach to cutting successful programs that aid the disadvantaged. They discuss Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s decision to avoid a government shutdown and speculate on whether he is the right messenger for Democratic reform.
The dialogue shifts to a discussion about Trump’s attacks on the legal system, specifically Chief Justice Roberts. Collins expresses worry that Trump may attempt to stay in office beyond his constitutionally limited terms, while Stephens is more concerned about the potential future leadership of the Republican Party. They touch on an instance where a law firm capitulated to an executive order by the president, prompting criticism from Stephens. They reflect on the evolving dynamics of opposing the Trump administration.
The conversation delves into the administration’s negotiation with Columbia University, where federal funding was restored in exchange for certain actions taken by the university. Stephens supports this move, believing that it could serve as a wake-up call for the university to address issues within its institution. Collins, however, voices concern over the potential interference with the university’s curriculum. They briefly touch on the New York City mayoral race and highlight the passing of Max Frankel and Kitty Dukakis, both of whom made significant contributions in their respective fields.
In their tribute to the late Max Frankel and Kitty Dukakis, Collins and Stephens acknowledge their remarkable lives and legacies. Frankel’s dedication to journalism and extensive reporting work in China are commended, while Dukakis’s advocacy for humanitarian causes and courageous battle against mental health struggles are remembered. The conversation ends with condolences to the Dukakis family and reflections on the impact of these individuals. The dialogue between Collins and Stephens captures a range of political, social, and personal topics, showcasing their differing perspectives and shared admiration for individuals who have made a lasting impact.
