Gavin Newsom, the Governor of California, has launched a new podcast where he engages in long-form conversations with right-wing media personalities like Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon. The idea behind these discussions is to break out of the political bubble and reach new audiences by engaging in spontaneous and improvisational conversations. However, the podcast has received criticism for Newsom’s tendency to concede to right-wing arguments rather than challenge them. This has led to accusations of submission and self-harm on the part of the Governor and his liberal listeners.
The podcast reflects Newsom’s attempt to learn from the success of Donald Trump in appealing to younger, right-wing audiences through new media channels. Newsom acknowledges that Democrats are losing ground in this area and could learn from Kirk and Bannon about building alternative media channels. However, the podcast’s approach of seeking mutual understanding with these conservative figures has been criticized as ineffective. There is little to be gained by flattering individuals like Kirk and Bannon, who often promote extremist views.
Critics have highlighted the need for Democrats to invest in building their own media infrastructure and support up-and-coming influencers within the party. While right-wing donors have historically supported a network of think tanks, policy institutes, and media ventures, Democratic donors have been less consistent in nurturing young talent. Newsom’s decision to engage with Kirk on his podcast instead of promoting progressive voices to compete with conservative figures has drawn scrutiny from those who believe he should be focusing on elevating Democratic voices.
One concerning aspect of Newsom’s podcast was his discussion with Kirk about transgender athletes in sports. In a conversation with someone who has made disparaging comments about trans people, Newsom emphasized areas of agreement rather than challenging harmful rhetoric. This approach has led to questions about the Governor’s commitment to standing up for marginalized communities, particularly in light of ongoing attacks on trans rights. Democrats are urged to defend trans rights while also acknowledging the physical differences that may impact fairness in sports.
Despite the potential for future episodes featuring liberal guests, Newsom’s decision to begin his podcast by engaging with right-wing figures has raised doubts among Democrats about his willingness to fight for progressive values. Concerns have been raised about Newsom’s ability to effectively engage with demagogues like Kirk and Bannon and the lasting impact this may have on his credibility within the party. Some Democrats, like history professor Michael Green, have expressed disappointment in Newsom’s approach and questioned his suitability as a potential presidential candidate in the future.
